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September 20, 2013 at 3:56 am #418
1. I think the 4% penalty for the use of powered winches punitive. I don’t believe that Mariette can gybe, tack or set sail disproportionately faster using powered winches compared to a boat like Tuiga or Mariquita which sails without the use of stored power. Possibly in the smaller classes if two evenly sized yachts race against one another then stored power would give an unfair advantage to one over the other. It’s fun sailing Mariette without power winches but if we wish to continue to compete on an even playing field then we need more crew, possibly new winches and once the wind gets up to 20 knots then we won’t be able to race within the rules. I can say that this penalty is unpopular with the captains and owners of all the larger yachts that I know and I think we should go back to the time when no penalty was applied or if this is not possible then the penalty should be reduced to 1%. As you must be aware had Mariette incurred the penalty in Barcelona we would have been dead last in each race on corrected time.
2. It seems wrong that Ketches and Yawls do not declare the sail area of their mizzen sails in the calculation of their APM. For instance I think the CIM values for Thendara give an incorrect indication of the yachts actual capabilities. Her sail area value SPV is 487m2 which theoretically means that she has a sail area that falls between Moonbeam III and IV. Secondly Thendara’s value Ps is 3.829 which is less than Moonbeam IV. Which tells the rating system that she has less volume and less wetted surface area than a yacht of a much smaller displacement. As mentioned to you I’ve raced Mariette against Thendara and Altair long enough to know that all three yachts have very similar performance characteristics and twenty seconds difference a mile is too much – possibly some of Thendara’s measurements are incorrect?
3. I don’t think that the 2% bonus given to yachts like Mariquita and Moonbeam IV for sailing with a ballooning jib a particularly fair one. I don’t think 2% on real time reflects reality. I think that Mariquita already has a better VMG than a yacht like Mariette by being able to sail directly at the mark. However I concede that if this rule is intended to be a device to improve the aesthetic value of the regattas and if that is what people want, then so be it.
4. I think that at every regatta each yachts APM and any applicable bonus/penalty should be published on the ONB to minimise confusion when scoring. I think what afyt.fr and CIM are doing by publishing certificates online is a good thing.
5. I think that discards a result during a regatta should only apply on regattas with five or more races.
6. I think the CIM technical committee should consider allowing one professional skipper to attend and contribute to the annual technical meeting. It may be that the skipper could contribute solid practical advice.
7. I also think that Replicas should not be punished too hard by the rule. What is the difference between a yacht like Mariquita or Tuiga that was rebuilt from the keel up and someone else building a new yacht to original designs?September 20, 2013 at 3:58 am #420
REPLY FROM MARIQUITA:
In reply to the article written by Mariette.
The power winch penalty has been a sore point for many boats since it was brought in. I find it hard to believe that anyone can sail a boat with the use of power winches and say that it doesn’t give them an advantage to boats that do not use them. It may be that Mariette cannot “gybe, tack or set sail disproportionately faster using power winches compared to a boat like Tuiga or Mariquita which sails without the use of stored power”, as the Captain of Mariette points out. However it must also be said that during the latter half of a race when the crew aboard boats like Tuiga and Mariquita are running out of their energy stores and are no longer able to pull as hard as they did at the start, the power winches used on other boats such as Mariette turn just as quickly, with just as much ‘bronze muscle’ as they did at the beginning of the race. Surely this has to be seen as an advantage?
I can well understand why the 4% penalty is unpopular to all of the big boats that incur it and equally as popular with all the Captains and owners that don’t use power winches. It was great to see Mariette racing in Barcelona without power winches and therefore without the 4% penalty. It is true that if Mariette had occurred the 4% penalty in this regatta they would have finished dead last on each race. However this goes back to the question, “would Mariette have been significantly faster with the aid of the power winches?”
In Argentario this year no 4% penalty was given for the use of power winches and no 2% bonus was given for using a balloon jib. During this regatta we had very similar sailing conditions to Barcelona. Mariette on this occasion did use the power winches and beat Mariquita on corrected. In fact, if there had not been a discard for the Argentario regatta she would have come first overall in the big boat class.
I agree with Mariette that the discarding of a result in a regatta should only be applied if a satisfactory amount of races are completed. I don’t think three races is a satisfactory number however my understanding is that the only regatta in the season when we do five races is at the “Regates Royale” in Cannes. Therefore I would suggest a discard should only be applied on regattas with four or more days of racing.
Mariette and Mariquita have been racing against each other since 2005 and during these nine seasons I would be very surprised if Mariquita had beaten Mariette overall in more than five regattas. Surely this is a clear indication that the handicap system didn’t work.
If we want to go back to racing without the 4% or a lower penalty then we need to go back and look at the results over the last five seasons or more.
My understanding of all of the Penalties/ Bonus’s given to yachts by CIM is because CIM wants boats to be sailed as authentically as possible by using block and tackle instead of power winches or traditional kites and not modern asymmetric kites. There is no question that on a dead downwind leg with good wind, a Balloon jib is the best sail. However this is only one sail angle and sure, the boats that carry these asymmetric kites do have to make more gybes and sail the angles. But they will also be doing this significantly faster than a boat going dead down wind. These modern asymmetric can also be used for reaching which is a huge advantage for any boat that carries one. There is nothing wrong with this! But I do feel that the boats only carrying a balloon jib do need some sort of bonus to reflect it. If there is no advantage to carrying a modern asymmetric kite then why don’t boats like Mariette that carry both traditional and modern asymmetric kites, do away with the modern asymmetric kite and claim the 2% bonus?
Mariette is right in suggesting that CIM should ask for a non-biased professional skipper to attend and contribute to the annual technical meetings. Any input that can bring the boats rating closer together has got to be a good thing.
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